tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6727344.post113276630759917983..comments2023-11-02T08:14:12.379-05:00Comments on MB Matthews: Street Smarts: The Silent Culture of Cleveland Drop-outs.marybethhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07065222113190978754noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6727344.post-1133866613677584092005-12-06T05:56:00.000-05:002005-12-06T05:56:00.000-05:00Mick,Perhaps you misunderstood.Of course lead pois...Mick,<BR/><BR/>Perhaps you misunderstood.<BR/>Of course lead poisoning doesn't account for all learning and cognitive handicaps. But I really don't think there is a big onslaught of welfare mothers demanding that their children be labeled as special needs. There is an involved testing and observation process for that diagnosis, usually initiated by a childs teachers. In fact many parents resist the testing because they fear the labels.marybethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07065222113190978754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6727344.post-1133825240019719062005-12-05T18:27:00.000-05:002005-12-05T18:27:00.000-05:00Great blog. I just found it and will definitely bo...Great blog. I just found it and will definitely bookmark you. Be that as it may I do take issue with one of the above comments.<BR/><BR/>"I know that number (between 35-40% depending on the enrollment figures) sounds unbelievable to people who don't work in the world of the wounded poor."<BR/><BR/>This figure refers to the alleged percentage of students with special needs. I also find this to be statistically a virtual impossibility and dont buy the spurious argument of lead paint as being the cause. Really, 40% of children eat lead paint? Because lead poisoning from paint requires actually consuming it. It doesnt just radiate out from the walls.<BR/><BR/>I think a more probable reason for the high numbers of IEP students is that welfare mothers get more government money for a child if he/she is labeled Special Needs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6727344.post-1133112767139366222005-11-27T12:32:00.000-05:002005-11-27T12:32:00.000-05:00Daniella,Thank you, this is why I blog.There is de...Daniella,<BR/><BR/>Thank you, this is why I blog.<BR/><BR/>There is definitely a Catch-22 in the mainstreaming concept, espeacially when the numbers of students with disabilities is very large. We do spend a lot of time playing catch-up, and yes, the bright kids suffer. <BR/>Mainstreaming and inclusion work in a school setting that has a small percentage of special needs students. The regular kids will push the slower students to excell. But when the numbers of students with learning problems in a classroom is too large, bright students who need to be challenged are neglected.<BR/><BR/>While public schools stopped tracking sudents years ago, society still does. The best and the brightest go to the private schools if they can afford it, and now the public charter schools are picking up the rest of the bright kids whose family incomes can't afford the tuition.marybethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07065222113190978754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6727344.post-1133027094844752482005-11-26T12:44:00.000-05:002005-11-26T12:44:00.000-05:00Jill, I have worked at schools where the staff put...Jill, <BR/><BR/>I have worked at schools where the staff put on free spaghetti dinners, pancake breakfasts and ice cream socials to lure parents into the building. <BR/>Yes, I agree there is something wrong with this picture. <BR/>How to solve the problem? I think we need to understand why parents don't get involved. I would love to see a study based on a questionaire, or interviews with parents who choose not to get involved, those who used to participate, but no longer do much with their child's school, those who never participated but eventually got involved, and those who have always been active. I wonder what the motivating factors are, the impediments, the backgrounds, and the family history of school/civic involvement. <BR/>If we understand the motivation for action, as well as what makes people choose not to participate, we might be able to begin dealing with the problem.marybethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07065222113190978754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6727344.post-1133025503392647312005-11-26T12:18:00.000-05:002005-11-26T12:18:00.000-05:00What an important topic. I agree that the culture...What an important topic. I agree that the culture of poverty ties into it. <BR/><BR/>And, although this next thought might raise an ugly scepter, although I'm firm in the belief that it doesn't excuse anything: but what role, if any, do we assign to the possibility that well-intentioned assistance has morphed into entitlement and that whatever sense of entitlement has developed among individuals living in poverty is also passed on as...not a value but rather an expected element in existence, much the way "my voice doesn't matter" becomes an expected element in existence?<BR/><BR/>The SCOTUS decision that puts the onus on parents rather than schools to demonstrate that a child's IEP is inadequate - isn't that a bit of a statement saying that parents must stop expecting that the school will automatically take on the burden? (I oppose this court's decision and blogged about it.)<BR/><BR/>I can tell you that although the numbers aren't as dismal as within the city of Cleveland's schools, it's not as though parent participation anywhere is what I have always thought it should be. <BR/><BR/>I can't write much about this, but I've heard students and administrators brainstorm for ways to get parents to open houses and conferences and money and other barter/reward items have been involved as incentives.<BR/><BR/>I guess I remain naive, sheltered but nevertheless adamant that it shouldn't be this way, no matter where you live or who you are.Jillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02175591212176951287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6727344.post-1133023853552122222005-11-26T11:50:00.000-05:002005-11-26T11:50:00.000-05:00I know that number (between 35-40% depending on th...I know that number (between 35-40% depending on the enrollment figures) sounds unbelievable to people who don't work in the world of the wounded poor. But my reality is this: <BR/>Of the 156 students currently on my class roster, 79 of them have IEP's, meaning they are diagnosed as special needs students with learning, developmental, emotional, behavioral, or multiple handicaps. Half of the teaching and paraprofessional staff members at my school are certified as special education.<BR/> <BR/>Here are the reasons why the numbers are so high:<BR/>Cleveland (and East Cleveland) ranks as one of the top cities in the nation for numbers of children with lead poisoning. Lead poisoning results in significant impairment of cognitive ability, and mental retardation. This is a very serious problem. Lead abatement was one of the programs Mayor Campbell stongly supported, and I hope Frank Jackson will follow her lead . There is also a rather high percentage of adults in the city of Cleveland who have drug and alchohol addictions. The children of these folks very often suffer from fetal alcohol syndrome and neurological damage from fetal exposure to drugs such as crack cocaine. There are also some pretty high numbers of adults living in the city who suffer from serious mental illnesses such as bipolar disorder and schizophrenia which are hereditary. Fifteen students on my roster that I know of, suffer from a serious mental illness. <BR/><BR/>Catholic, private, and charter schools are gleaning many of Cleveland's best students from the public school rosters. These schools usually don't have special education classes, so the special needs kids remain in the city schools. This brings the percentages way up. It also increases the education cost per student, since the laws mandate lower student teacher ratio's and require instructional aids in the classroom. <BR/><BR/>I hope this provides a bit of insight into the issues facing educators in the Cleveland public schools. The numbers seem unfathomable, I know, but they are NOT an exaggeratiuon.marybethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07065222113190978754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6727344.post-1132872488416284612005-11-24T17:48:00.000-05:002005-11-24T17:48:00.000-05:00Sxxyd,Pointing the finger of blame at other teache...Sxxyd,<BR/><BR/>Pointing the finger of blame at other teachers, parents, and the laziness of an individual student is the way some of us in education avoid taking responsibility for lower acheivement levels and lack of progress.<BR/> <BR/>I would like to point out a possibility you may not have considered in your conversation with this young man. <BR/>It is possible he had a disability that was a factor in his inability to communicate the information you sought, and he may have worked very hard to reach the level of employment he was at when you met him.<BR/> <BR/>The number of students in the Cleveland School District who have been officialy diagnosed as Special Needs is close to 40%...almost 28,000 kids in a city of 450,000. When they grow up, they do not necessarily outgrow their disabilities. As young adults, they seek employment and find jobs where they are not hampered by their problem. <BR/>When you are dealing an impoverished population, you often are working with people who are damaged. In that case, do we point a finger of blame, or do we applaud the efforts of parents and schools who helped this young man find gainful employment.marybethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07065222113190978754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6727344.post-1132870204640669632005-11-24T17:10:00.000-05:002005-11-24T17:10:00.000-05:00Steve,The system is being rebuilt. There is an edu...Steve,<BR/><BR/>The system is being rebuilt. There is an educational revolution taking place, but it started on the outside. The public charter schools are creating a commotion in the edusphere. Some are traditional, some are highly innovative. There are virtual schools, hybrid home schools, military boot camps, sports schools, arts schools, even an entrprenurship school, and an intergenerational school. There are charter schools that are very successful and others that are falling flat. Charters that are union sponsored, university sponsored, and even sponsored by school districts. While public school districts initially complained about charter schools taking tax dollars from district coffers, some of the smarter districts began sponsoring there own charter schools and keeping control of the money. Keep your eyes and ears open. The future of education is here.marybethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07065222113190978754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6727344.post-1132798779597488032005-11-23T21:19:00.000-05:002005-11-23T21:19:00.000-05:00Roldo, you are absolutely right, of course. The po...Roldo, you are absolutely right, of course. <BR/>The poverty of this generation has the added facets of despair and hopelessness. The poor have no common cause to rally around. There is no inspirational leader. There is nothing to lure people away from the comforting fantasy of television.<BR/><BR/>One more interesting difference I notice between the Cleveland of the civil rights era and the city today, is the quality of the schools. The Cleveland Public Schools were a national model of excellence in the 1950's and 60's. However, some were better than others, and the inequalities led to forced busing in the 70's. Even so, the majority of Clevelanders were recieving excellent educations. Today, Cleveland's schools are consistantly ranked at the bottom of the list for academic acheivement, and the majority of Cleveland students drop out of school. <BR/><BR/>I have been preaching relentlessly about the impact of the public schools on poverty. Education is essential to economic development. <BR/><BR/>Indeed, knowledge is power.marybethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07065222113190978754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6727344.post-1132779932916180042005-11-23T16:05:00.000-05:002005-11-23T16:05:00.000-05:00Mary Beth: I believe Poverty plays a very substant...Mary Beth: I believe Poverty plays a very substantial role in the problems you are citing. Poverty with all its attendant ills. <BR/><BR/>There is a substantial difference between the Poverty of today with its accompanying hopelessness to, say, the Poverty of the 1960s when civil rights inspired hope and led to some achievements and more participation, that inspired so many to join together, for example, to elect Carl Stokes.<BR/><BR/>This is a short answer to something that can't be summed up in a few words.<BR/><BR/>Someone has to light a fire as was done when civil rights and organizing inspired peope to demand a say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com